California Should Be Two States

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Monday, 08/11/2008 @ 12:56 AM PST
To whom it may concern:

I'll admit, I am not an economist, I may not like change as much as my professional business resume says, and I am an expert in very few things, but this is one suggestion that should be considered, and be put to the test by the people: Split California into two states.

We, as Californians, have a serious issue of a failing economy, an ineffective congress, and a state that is diverse as the nation itself.  I propose that we should draw the line from The Northern-most Monterey County from the West Coast splitting California at the Fresno and Madera counties and travel to the east accordingly.

What are our diversities?  I propose that the political beliefs, the economic needs and gains, and the geographic differences will make two powerful states able to add a more rounded republic, and bring economic stability to the former state of California.

Please bring this viable issue to the people of the United States of America as a means to an important end.

Your Constituent,
jtinfresno521
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Letter Comments
Total Comments: 60
DotNetAllDay,  on 08/12/2008 @ 07:45 AM PST  wrote:
I think California is the greatest state in the Union. Splitting it up would be a travesty.
nkash001,  on 08/12/2008 @ 09:51 AM PST  wrote:
Interesting suggestion! I've been saying Northern and Southern California are like two separate states for years. In terms of culture, economy, lifestyle, land, etc. Not a bad idea, given the terrible state of our economy!
myssk,  on 08/12/2008 @ 11:39 AM PST  wrote:
It's interesting; because I know several people in CA, both NoCal and SoCal, and they say the same thing. Let me ask you this: Which part gets to keep the Governator? :D
Nxwtypx,  on 08/12/2008 @ 06:38 PM PST  wrote:
I totally agree. A friend of mine lives in Berkeley (I live in Riverside), and he says it's a different world up there. It is.
dover13,  on 08/12/2008 @ 11:20 PM PST  wrote:
Well, geez, you got me all in a twist with this one. It's an interesting idea, but I love my California. Not the people but the state. I love the diversity. Lets just ship off the California government, give them all away to other more deserving states and start over! Haha. You would be taking Yosemite away from me. I can't have that. :-) I will be thinking about this now though.
jtinfresno521,  on 08/13/2008 @ 12:28 AM PST  wrote:
I love my state, as much of you do. I keep coming back. Some other issues that would need to be addressed is the fact that Southern California syphens most of California's resources as far north as Sacramento. They use our water for irrigations, and power plants from the north. LA is an economic powerhouse. The Central valley provides 2/3 of the worlds population their food. SF would have to use its ports to sustain a viable economy for "North California". This is rally an old issue that was discussed much during the power crisis of the 60's and 70's
adaffodil,  on 08/14/2008 @ 08:06 AM PST  wrote:
Interesting take on it! I've been to Northern CA (Salinas and San Francisco area) and to the tourist spots down below like San Diego and Hollywood, and I agree they're nothing even similar to each other. From what I know, the locals dislike the other locals.
nomoreliberals,  on 08/15/2008 @ 06:52 AM PST  wrote:
I agree that your economy is an absolute failure, I'll also state that is because of the lackluster and highly liberal system that the state is subjected too. That of course happens to be the choice of the people (many of which do not deserve a vote). This is the reality of a liberal run government, do we want this for the rest of the nation?
mangoflute,  on 08/17/2008 @ 09:58 PM PST  wrote:
Unfortunately, addressing this issue would look a lot like the need to address the issue that there are really two Americas: the urban one and the rural one. Also could be categorized as the participatory and those who are unable to do so.
itsbrat,  on 08/19/2008 @ 06:22 AM PST  wrote:
If there will be developments after splittin then i'm for it. All we need is a better tomorrow!
KnightGG,  on 08/21/2008 @ 10:53 PM PST  wrote:
This is an idiotic attempt at stability. The divison of California would serve no purpose, nor do you have any evidence to the contrary.
smmom,  on 08/22/2008 @ 02:09 PM PST  wrote:
California is a strange state politically to begin with.....just add a little more chaos.
gershwin2003,  on 08/24/2008 @ 12:26 PM PST  wrote:
I don't have any problems with 51 states. They should do what is best for them.
WorkingMama,  on 08/24/2008 @ 01:46 PM PST  wrote:
Splitting the state of California is not going to change the socio-economic issues that we are currently faced with. And I'm sick and tired of hearing people complain about ineffective Congressmen - YOU VOTED FOR THESE PEOPLE.
jarhead,  on 08/26/2008 @ 05:43 PM PST  wrote:
California is already clearly 2 different states, Northern & Southern, if not politically or legally, then in every other way you can imagine. So why not make it official?
sunime08,  on 08/27/2008 @ 05:14 PM PST  wrote:
I do not think it would be a good idea to split the state at all. It was developed as one and it should remain that way. A state should come toghether and help one another not turn the other way.
cpark22,  on 08/27/2008 @ 06:10 PM PST  wrote:
Yeah lets split california. but dont name it north and south california. lets name southern cal term and northern cal inator. hmm adding another state to the union. think of the flags that will have to be replaced. Hey it might help the economy
yourbestenemy,  on 08/29/2008 @ 01:54 PM PST  wrote:
You want to see serious economic problems, look at the state of Michigan. We almost had to shut down our government because of lack of funds.
gurugirl,  on 08/29/2008 @ 05:46 PM PST  wrote:
I don't think that splitting the state would really help the whole economy or either one separately, I think things would be better served in the economy if people would make good policies and not vote themselves pay raises and corporate tax cuts. Too many issues also exist about where the line would be drawn, whether or not So. Cal pays No. Cal for the water they take through the aqueduct, and most likely with a state government that cannot agree on how to balance the budget they will not be able to agree on things like splitting the state in half.
Nuvious,  on 09/05/2008 @ 03:12 PM PST  wrote:
I say we split the state to make the house and senate more balanced. As it stands, to pass a law, you need a simple majority of California's house delegates to do anything.
BigT,  on 09/07/2008 @ 01:20 PM PST  wrote:
In my opinion spliting any state, what ever its problems would require more work then it would take to fix what ever problems the state had.
davevjr,  on 09/11/2008 @ 01:25 PM PST  wrote:
this would not work, each state would have a smaller budget. A new state government would have to be set up for probably northern California.
fastnfurious3127,  on 09/14/2008 @ 10:11 AM PST  wrote:
Why spend all the money and time to split the state? What people should be doing is dealing with illegal immigration. Stop giving aid to illeagals. That would help the economy
Herrings,  on 09/14/2008 @ 05:47 PM PST  wrote:
An interesting idea. California is rather large and cumbersone as it is.
y2kmisty2000,  on 09/21/2008 @ 07:52 PM PST  wrote:
Actually, we would be better off if california was part of Mexico, then I could go over there and bang all the delicious 8 year old girls without having to worry about our nonsense rules in AMERIKKKA
NeatPerson,  on 09/27/2008 @ 03:45 PM PST  wrote:
This is a fantastic idea, incidentally. Certain Californian cities I've seen would be better managed under their own seperate state government, and I recall one city once attempting to secede from the state and join Arizona.
reils6,  on 09/30/2008 @ 11:27 PM PST  wrote:
I have thought this many times, mainly while travelling north and south up the coast. It could be the beginning to many great things. However, I can imagine that a vast amount of the California population would be enraged.
rlam,  on 10/08/2008 @ 08:17 PM PST  wrote:
I California is the greatest state in the USA. splitting it would be the dumbest thing ever, even though n.cal and s.cal is way different.
Kryshchs,  on 10/21/2008 @ 07:26 AM PST  wrote:
And what would we call the new states? The elementary schools should hold contests to name the new states!
haleyreamer,  on 10/21/2008 @ 04:23 PM PST  wrote:
It is an very interesting suggestion, but I think implementing the "split" would take more money, time, and effort than CA could provide. I used to live in San Francisco, and I agree it is two totally different worlds, but I still don't think it should actually be split.
lynns,  on 10/23/2008 @ 12:59 PM PST  wrote:
This state has a lot of issues and I have been saying for years that they just need to make a North and South California. They did it in the Carolinas. Why not here?
mcollier88,  on 10/29/2008 @ 12:36 PM PST  wrote:
I fail to see how dividing a state in two would lead to any economic improvement. In fact Californias greatest stregth, is the fact that is economy is so large and diverse, and much more resistant to recession than other parts of the country.
NORCALLIVING,  on 11/08/2008 @ 09:51 AM PST  wrote:
i completely acree with splitting california into two states. the problem is that we here in northern california (the REAL northern california,divided north of sacramento, not including g sanfransisco,etc) are the victims of southern california. they take our resources (as an example, i lived 5 minutes from lake oroville in butte county for 17 years, which was billed as a 'resort community". eac h year they pumped the water out of the lake to ship down to socal to the point the lake would drop BELOW any usable lever for recreation, such as boating,etc),they hold a largbe majority of the people in california, so when they gety it in the freakin knottheads to pass a law, we here in the true northern part of the state have to suffer. we have completely and totally different political views ( everyone in norcal hates the govenor and the politicals in california) on everything. we are the ones who have to put up with the bull they decide on.
wellzie05,  on 11/17/2008 @ 04:36 PM PST  wrote:
I've heard this suggestion before! I don't think it's a half bad idea. Our state is large, split, and different enough to separate. I doubt this will ever happen, but interesting thought!
AngelKarma,  on 11/22/2008 @ 10:31 AM PST  wrote:
I think that would be an interesting idea to slit the state. I wonder what would happen?
phatpink,  on 11/25/2008 @ 10:43 AM PST  wrote:
We need to get the current governor out of office. This whole budget crisis is ridicules. I reside in southern California. Me, personally, I would not like to have it split. Yes we are different from the northern part of our former great state, but we are all still Californians. We can restore and move forward with the right elected officials.
daygoballa,  on 11/26/2008 @ 09:58 PM PST  wrote:
California is strong and is a big part of the US economy because of out size....spliting it up is a waste of resources
tlerias,  on 11/30/2008 @ 01:15 AM PST  wrote:
Why not just split it up? It is like two different worlds. Plus, it will add another state with decriminalization and medical marijuana laws!
PopularOutcast,  on 12/02/2008 @ 06:04 PM PST  wrote:
Funny, I often think Florida should be two states as well and for the same reasons! Draw a triangle from Key West to Orlando to West Palm Beach (and included everything east of there) and you get the "liberal state". The rest can go to the conservatives.
kevinMN,  on 12/04/2008 @ 07:10 PM PST  wrote:
Comments show how political opinions are all over the map. Unity of opinion would occur with less legeslative paralysis in a two state solution. Look at the last congressional election map. All the SoCal reps are Republican, all the north coast is Democratic. Yosemite would still be a National Park. Driving from LA to SF would be like LA to Las Vegas. It wouldn't be like North and South Korea.
gumptajoe,  on 12/06/2008 @ 06:32 PM PST  wrote:
yeah i guess it could be an interesting experiment, but let's face it won't (and maybe shouldn't happen) imagine what california's terminator, i mean governor would think...
RayaPlaya,  on 12/06/2008 @ 06:56 PM PST  wrote:
I think it would be pretty interesting if California was split up, but I'm not sure about the effect it would have on the rest of the nation. We'd have to rewrite that "50 Nifty United States" song haha.
jtinfresno521,  on 12/06/2008 @ 08:11 PM PST  wrote:
This has been a great discussion. As the author of this letter I would like to clarify to all of you that said it would "cost too much" that what I am implying is not overyly expensive of a task. You all make it sound as if I mean to LITERALLY split the state in two. Ok, I suggest, in that case, we invent a very large saw that would cut it in two, make the cut about a quarter mile wide, fill it with water, and rapids, turn it into a theme park, and all of the proceeds would pay for our cool "State-splitting" saw we used to cut our state in half.
goddessa,  on 12/08/2008 @ 07:39 PM PST  wrote:
At that point we'd also have to make a 52nd state to keep an even number, Puerto Rico maybe?!?
maryboynton,  on 01/04/2009 @ 11:22 PM PST  wrote:
There are plenty of other, less drastic ways to fix the problems that you suggested; I still fail to see how splitting California would fix anything.
ajwagner777,  on 01/14/2009 @ 11:23 AM PST  wrote:
Right... thats the best way to solve all the problems you face. How about instead of being a part of the problem, be a part of the solution.
pdrummond,  on 01/17/2009 @ 08:24 PM PST  wrote:
While it would never happen, it is surely an interesting suggestion. Of course, the ramifications of spliting such a well defined border in two would most likely be irrevocable, it is an intriguing concept due to the noticeable cultural and economic differences between the north and south. Additionally, I imagine that California, being so large, must be quite unwieldy.
andrwsmth,  on 01/18/2009 @ 05:15 PM PST  wrote:
California is definatly a large enough state to divide. There are so many controversial laws being passed and attempting to be passed. Try running that idea by them. Its so dumb it might actually work. Along with some (not all) other laws.
zeiartvy,  on 01/26/2009 @ 11:54 PM PST  wrote:
I too think splitting California would be a travesty. While I understand that separating could have certain benefits... it would also bring much disturbance in the actual cities and towns of the state.
jamie1617,  on 01/31/2009 @ 09:38 AM PST  wrote:
Every state in the country has its problems. I can imagine the differences between the northern and southern regions of california although I do not live there. However, it is pretty ridiculous to think that splitting the state in half would solve these issues. Look at what our country was like when it was split in half.
SarahWiechec,  on 02/01/2009 @ 09:43 AM PST  wrote:
If California should be 2 different states , the country should be 2 different countries! Blue to the Left, Red to the Right?
hedorah,  on 02/09/2009 @ 05:39 PM PST  wrote:
The split in California is very honest and identifiable. It wouldn't be a bad idea to split it, allowing the two sectors to customize their own state governments would only allow positive effects to blossom.
littlemurph,  on 02/15/2009 @ 11:54 AM PST  wrote:
Recognizing it would cost a lot to add an extra star to every US flag (not to mention, build a whole new state govn't structure), there is a serious divide and with a drought coming, I say keep NorCal water where it belongs.
cool,  on 02/18/2009 @ 06:02 PM PST  wrote:
It is true that California should be split into two states so that people can be governed well and also all resources could be made available to everyone.
richizzle,  on 03/28/2009 @ 02:00 AM PST  wrote:
Interesting Propostion, I could possibly see splitting it so it was 2 close, even populations and representing each side accordingly.
lhopew,  on 05/15/2009 @ 06:20 PM PST  wrote:
This is an interesting point that I have never heard before. Wouldn't that be quite the congressional juggernaut, though? If they are so entirely different geographically, though...you may be onto something....
theresadanette,  on 05/17/2009 @ 12:29 PM PST  wrote:
How ridiculous. The cost to the US to split California would be huge. Changing the flag and then all the flags in Government. Changing pretty much everything. This sounds like the idea of someone wanting to capitalize on novelty items for a new state. Silly idea.
rjnaz,  on 07/02/2009 @ 11:24 AM PST  wrote:
This is an interesting proposal, one that certainly won't happen. California has one of the most important economies in the world and the repercussions of such as split would be felt throughout the world.
fellowpacker,  on 07/03/2009 @ 01:43 PM PST  wrote:
I think California should be its own country:-) This way we'd get more liberal laws and regulations and we don't have to work with religious conservative fundamentalists more dominant in other areas of the US.
chelsme12,  on 07/03/2009 @ 05:42 PM PST  wrote:
While you have some great points, I do not think that it is even possible at this point to put it into two states. It would cause many difficulties and right now there are more important things in the world.